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protect medicare and preserve all 9 the institutions of the federal government that we need from the fbi to the faa. you can't possibly do all of those things. that was my problem. how does the math add up? so to me, he's still at war with math. and i think that's where "the wall street journal" editorial is quite a positive. how are you going to do these things? i believe this time is different. i think the american people really do want a plan. they want one from romney. they want one from obama. and i think they will reward someone who they feel has laid down a credible plan, and please, please, don't tell me it isn't going to hurt. there's no way we get out of this hole without working. they want it to be real. they want it to be fair. the wealthy pay more. everybody pays something. and they want it to be aspirational. they want it to be not just about balancing the budget, but making this country rich. >> doris kearns goodwin there is this appetite for substance for a credible plan but campaigns are still, in many cases, about style over substance. here's the week magazine and on th
protect medicare and preserve all 9 the institutions of the federal government that we need from the fbi to the faa. you can't possibly do all of those things. that was my problem. how does the math add up? so to me, he's still at war with math. and i think that's where "the wall street journal" editorial is quite a positive. how are you going to do these things? i believe this time is different. i think the american people really do want a plan. they want one from romney. they want...
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the fbi tracks people on a regular basis. what they are implying is that the al qaeda cell that committed the 9/11 attacks was identified in the united states and that was a reference in the may 1st pdb. that's why i want to see e that declassified. here's the point with the administration leading up to 9/ 9/11. the administration identified al qaeda as a threat. they didn't understand the urgency. in multiple meetings we had in the spring and summer, they accepted we have a to deal with al qaeda, but they did not appreciate how urgent a threat it was. we see the president's conversation. you had a little bit of that sense. so that was the issue. we were arguing in the counterterrorism shop. and as michael said, they came into office with a view of terrorism as a primpl through state sponsorship and the days and weeks after 9/11, there were plenty of conversations saying you sure iraq wasn't involved in it? we wrote a memo saying we analyzed the situation. iraq was not behind this attack. >> well we're going to be digging thr
the fbi tracks people on a regular basis. what they are implying is that the al qaeda cell that committed the 9/11 attacks was identified in the united states and that was a reference in the may 1st pdb. that's why i want to see e that declassified. here's the point with the administration leading up to 9/ 9/11. the administration identified al qaeda as a threat. they didn't understand the urgency. in multiple meetings we had in the spring and summer, they accepted we have a to deal with al...
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there's no ability to make the cuts to farm subsidies a bit bigger than the cuts to, say, the fbi. $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction in which we pretty much don't make a single choice about what is and is not worth funding. that administration conference call today was happening because the administration by law had to release this almost 400-page document. it was very, very long. telling us exactly where these sequestered cuts would fall. their bottom line from the text of their report, quote, education grants to state and local school districts supporting smaller classes would get cut. after-school programs and children with disabilities would suffer. the number of federal bureau of investigation agents, custom and border patrol agents, correctional officers and federal prosecutors would be slashed. the federal aviation administration's ability to oversee and manage a nation's airspace and air traffic control would be reduced. hope you don't have to fly anywhere. the department of agriculture'sesagriculture's e efforts would be curtailed. hope you don't have to eat anything. environm
there's no ability to make the cuts to farm subsidies a bit bigger than the cuts to, say, the fbi. $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction in which we pretty much don't make a single choice about what is and is not worth funding. that administration conference call today was happening because the administration by law had to release this almost 400-page document. it was very, very long. telling us exactly where these sequestered cuts would fall. their bottom line from the text of their report,...
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an undercover fbi agent got in touch with him. in the course of their discussions he came up with this plot to attack a target in chicago. and last night, according to the fbi, he was given a phony bomb, drove it in a jeep cherokee to a bar in downtown chicago, parked it outside, walked away and tried to detonate it. once he did he was arrested by the fbi. he's now in custody. he had a brief uhappearance befe a magistrate today. he'll be back in federal court on monday. law enforcement officials tell nbc news he's a misguided, angry 18-year-old. lester? >> john yang in our chicago bureau. thanks. >>> things are much quieter though the middle east remains a tinder box after several days of anti-american demonstrations, at times turning violent. at this hour the state department and the military are taking efforts to step up security at u.s. embassies across the region. jim maceda joins us from cairo. good evening. >> reporter: hello, lester. the state department is closing embassies temporarily in sudan and yemen warning of travel
an undercover fbi agent got in touch with him. in the course of their discussions he came up with this plot to attack a target in chicago. and last night, according to the fbi, he was given a phony bomb, drove it in a jeep cherokee to a bar in downtown chicago, parked it outside, walked away and tried to detonate it. once he did he was arrested by the fbi. he's now in custody. he had a brief uhappearance befe a magistrate today. he'll be back in federal court on monday. law enforcement...
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the fbi investigating whether the terror atalk on the u.s. consulate was an inside job. agents working the case and we are learning more about the september 11 attack and including 100 armed militants were involved. it was a coordinated assault and killing our former ambassador and two navy seals. >> harris, an fbi team assigned to investigate the murder of u.s. ambassador stevens is looking into the group of are you attackers had inside help from the private security contractors whom the state department hired to guard the benghazi consulate. they asked matthew olsen the question in a hearing this week. blue mountain is a private security group out of wales to hire and vet the guards. they had a contract worth half million. indication of guards casing the consulate was revealed on a gaming website where he went by the name vile rat. assuming we don't die tonight, we saw one of our quote police that guard the compound taking picture. it could be the libyan government police. and the anti-islamic. there is increasing evidence that this group is with al-qaida. the fbi is l
the fbi investigating whether the terror atalk on the u.s. consulate was an inside job. agents working the case and we are learning more about the september 11 attack and including 100 armed militants were involved. it was a coordinated assault and killing our former ambassador and two navy seals. >> harris, an fbi team assigned to investigate the murder of u.s. ambassador stevens is looking into the group of are you attackers had inside help from the private security contractors whom the...
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again, the fbi will go in there and it is not their terrain. and it is it a lot of different characters and it is it a dangerous situation and it is difficult for them and they will have to rely on the government in which critics say is not quick enough to respond to the islamicist threat. >> stay safe out there. and now the latest from egypt. leland? >> good morning, judge. 3:00 a.m. right here right now. and you might describe it as a intense calm in tahir square. hundreds if not thousands of riot police trying to make sure there would be no problems after violent protest. overnight last night. protestors and the riot police a lot of tear gas filled the street and the spell of tear gas and rubber bullets and one person killed boy a shot gun place fired by the security forces. they numbered in the thousands and carrying pictures of osama bin laden and chanting. obama, we are all osama. and carrying that black islamic flag that is on the un embassy. it is it part of the protest. al-qaida and the arabian peninsula praised the attacks on the u.s.
again, the fbi will go in there and it is not their terrain. and it is it a lot of different characters and it is it a dangerous situation and it is difficult for them and they will have to rely on the government in which critics say is not quick enough to respond to the islamicist threat. >> stay safe out there. and now the latest from egypt. leland? >> good morning, judge. 3:00 a.m. right here right now. and you might describe it as a intense calm in tahir square. hundreds if not...
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fbi agents have arrested a man they say planned to detonate a car bomb outside a bar in downtown chicago. more now from michelle franzen. >> reporter: authorities say a bar in chicago's busy downtown was the target friday night of an alleged car bomb plot. planned, investigators say, in a detailed criminal mrant by 18-year-old adelle dieud, an american teen who lives just outside chicago. he was arrested by fbi undercover agents after he tried to detonate what he believed were real explosives in a vehicle he parked in front of a bar. federal prosecutors say the suspect was under watch or authorities for months after he posted material on the internet relating to violent jihad and the killing of americans. >> they weren't under cover by pretending to be terrorist colleagues who could help him in his plans to carry out an attack. >> authorities say daoud allegedly drafted a list of 29 potential targets, including military recruiting centers, bars, malls and other tourist attractions in the chicago area. but at no time, authorities say, did he pose a real threat to the public. for "today,"
fbi agents have arrested a man they say planned to detonate a car bomb outside a bar in downtown chicago. more now from michelle franzen. >> reporter: authorities say a bar in chicago's busy downtown was the target friday night of an alleged car bomb plot. planned, investigators say, in a detailed criminal mrant by 18-year-old adelle dieud, an american teen who lives just outside chicago. he was arrested by fbi undercover agents after he tried to detonate what he believed were real...
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planned in a detailed criminal complaint by 18-year-old adele daoud who was arrested by undercover fbi agents after he allegedly tried to dead nate what he believed were real explosives in a vehicle he parked in front of the bar. >> credit is due to the fbi for literally discovering a needle in a haystack. >> reporter: federal prosecutors say the suspect was under watch of authorities for months after he posted material on the internet righting to violent jihad and the killing of americans. >> they went under cover by pretending to be terrorist colleagues who could help him in his plans to carry out an attack. >> reporter: authorities say daoud allegedly drafted a list of approximate lip 29 potential targets including military recruiting centers, bars, malls, and other tourist attractions in the chicago area. but at no time, authorities say, did he pose a real threat to the public. for "today," michelle franzen, nbc news, new york. >>> four u.s. military members have been killed today in a third apparent insider attack in as many days in afghanistan. nato says at least one afghan polic
planned in a detailed criminal complaint by 18-year-old adele daoud who was arrested by undercover fbi agents after he allegedly tried to dead nate what he believed were real explosives in a vehicle he parked in front of the bar. >> credit is due to the fbi for literally discovering a needle in a haystack. >> reporter: federal prosecutors say the suspect was under watch of authorities for months after he posted material on the internet righting to violent jihad and the killing of...
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ambassador ryan's approach as sparked as the video was hijacked by clusters of extremists, so, the fbi now still trying to sort it out, harris? >> steve centanni, thank you very much. as you heard steve saying, turmoil and the american protests in economies across the mud limb world. now, a dire new warning and stand off with iran and the nuclear program. as we told you at the top of the hour, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says that iran may be only six months away to a full-fledged weapon. and john bolton, and also an advisor to governor mitt romney. ambassador, thank you for joining us tonight. >> glad to do it. >> harris: my tirs question has to do with where we are at this point. are we at a continuing point? is it a us against them all over the arab world? are we there. >> i don't particularly believe in tipping points. i think things come and go, but i don't think that anybody should misunderstand what motivated the riots and terrorist attacks against our ambassador to libya, is a religious ideology, that is making political extremes. and it's an easy logical jump
ambassador ryan's approach as sparked as the video was hijacked by clusters of extremists, so, the fbi now still trying to sort it out, harris? >> steve centanni, thank you very much. as you heard steve saying, turmoil and the american protests in economies across the mud limb world. now, a dire new warning and stand off with iran and the nuclear program. as we told you at the top of the hour, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says that iran may be only six months away to a...
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first of all, there's an fbi investigation that's ongoing and we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. but putting together the best information that we have available to us today, our current assessment is that what happened in benghazi was, in fact, initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo, almost a copycat of the demonstrations against our facility in cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. what we think then transpired in benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. they came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately, are readily available in postrevolutionary libya. and it escalated into a much more violent episode. obviously, that's our best judgment now. we'll await the results of the investigation, and the president has been very clear we'll work with the libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice. >> was there a failure here that this administration is responsible for, whether it's an intelligence failure, a failure to
first of all, there's an fbi investigation that's ongoing and we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. but putting together the best information that we have available to us today, our current assessment is that what happened in benghazi was, in fact, initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo, almost a copycat of the demonstrations against our facility in cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. what...
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the fbi reviewed data from three h thre three-quarters nationwide, and here's what they found. from 2000 to 2010 more than 25,554 have been injured. officers confronted with a gun making a stop or during a pursuit was 9.5%. in california since the year 2000 four chp officers have died of gunshot wounds and five others injured in gun-related violence. the latest incidence was in may of this year in bakersfield. i got an e-mail from joseph mack na mara. he said this shooting is rare and troubling where no drubls or alcohol were involved. that is yet to be determined by the coroner. nbc by area news. >>> in other news tonight conflicting news conferences in a vallejo today where the family publicly challenged the police department aeps account what happened. the mother claims officers shot her son while he was just sitting in his car outside his home. inside police headquarters police showed off a pellet gun like the one they say he reached for when officers shot him. it's designed to a resem blel a.p.40 caliber baretta. they're popular with convicted felons to impress rivals. >>
the fbi reviewed data from three h thre three-quarters nationwide, and here's what they found. from 2000 to 2010 more than 25,554 have been injured. officers confronted with a gun making a stop or during a pursuit was 9.5%. in california since the year 2000 four chp officers have died of gunshot wounds and five others injured in gun-related violence. the latest incidence was in may of this year in bakersfield. i got an e-mail from joseph mack na mara. he said this shooting is rare and troubling...
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the hackers claim they stole the information from the laptop of an fbi agent. apple not commenting at this point, but the bureau says there's no evidence indicating an fbi laptop was compromised or that the fbi had the apple information in the first place. >>> meantime, there's a little hint about what's coming next from apple. it's probably talking about a smartphone. look at the release here. this was just to a few select reporters. this one confirms the apple event on september 12th. and you see that shadow there, yeah, if you look closely, it's kind of not so subtle. you can see that five there. many believe that's the hint they'll be unveiling the new iphone 5. our tech reporter will be all over that attending it all week long and scott mcgrew will be along to talk about it. >>> it is not the iphone, but a new smartphone hitting the market today. for details on that and the rest of our news before the bell, let's call on hampton pearson. good morning, hampton. >> hi, laura. well, we start, first of all, the futures are lower after a mixed session on tuesda
the hackers claim they stole the information from the laptop of an fbi agent. apple not commenting at this point, but the bureau says there's no evidence indicating an fbi laptop was compromised or that the fbi had the apple information in the first place. >>> meantime, there's a little hint about what's coming next from apple. it's probably talking about a smartphone. look at the release here. this was just to a few select reporters. this one confirms the apple event on september...
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the fbi said he was a completely innocent victim unaware of what was in store. christopher shell of philadelphia intended thursday to be a celebration of his birthday. instead he was twice taken into custody by police at two different airports in handcuffs. he had just settled in for a morning us airways flight to dallas when he posted this on his facebook page, quote, we just spent a half hour in the air onto be notified the plane has technical difficulties and have to fly back. >> going back to texas for his birthday. the company he worked for was paying for him to go back. said he had broke up with his girlfriend. >> reporter: moments later a stunned christopher shell was escorted off the plane, investigation of explosives, a phoned in tip. nothing was found. he was the victim. >> all indications are this was a hoax and a pretty nasty trick was played on a passenger. >> reporter: investigators say anonymous airport caller told police shell was carrying liquid explosives on the way to texas. late yesterday the fbi questioned the former girlfriend and new boyfr
the fbi said he was a completely innocent victim unaware of what was in store. christopher shell of philadelphia intended thursday to be a celebration of his birthday. instead he was twice taken into custody by police at two different airports in handcuffs. he had just settled in for a morning us airways flight to dallas when he posted this on his facebook page, quote, we just spent a half hour in the air onto be notified the plane has technical difficulties and have to fly back. >> going...
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the plane was ordered back and police and fbi agents boarded the aircraft, guns drawn. this man was sitting next to shell when a policeman carrying his weapon stopped at their row. >> right alongside my face with the rifle and about that time an abrupt, 90-degree turn and pointed it at the guy sitting next to me. >> reporter: late today fbi agents questioned shell's ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend investigating whether the hoax was an act of revenge over a personal dispute timed for shell's birthday. though no one was hurt police and airline officials say it was a costly hoax. >> look at the resources expended and delays to passenger, expense to agencies involved and the airport authorities. >> reporter: whoever made the hoax call could face serious federal charges, including the possibility of prison time. pete williams, nbc news, washington. >>> we're back with more from charlotte right after this. >>> joe south left behind that phrase for the american lexicon "i never promised you a rose garden" and contributed further to the american song book with "the games people
the plane was ordered back and police and fbi agents boarded the aircraft, guns drawn. this man was sitting next to shell when a policeman carrying his weapon stopped at their row. >> right alongside my face with the rifle and about that time an abrupt, 90-degree turn and pointed it at the guy sitting next to me. >> reporter: late today fbi agents questioned shell's ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend investigating whether the hoax was an act of revenge over a personal dispute timed for...
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they then sped off in a white kia van, with what the fbi now says is a significant amount of cash. the bomb looked convincing enough, but when the bomb squad finally detonated it -- it turned out to be fake. you can see the front entrance of this branch has all the security measures you'd expect, but the robbers used a side entrance here where there are no cameras. they appear to have known enough about the bank's security to avoid getting their pictures taken. the bank robbers clearly did their homework. so how often do you catch these guys? >> 60% of the time we're able to identify the victims and catch them. >> reporter: so 40% of the time, the bank robbers get away? >> well, 60% of the time they do get caught. >> reporter: with no surveillance pictures to go by, the fbi's strongest lead may be the branch manager. that's her being walked out to safety. she's now in protective custody. and the manhunt is on for those two masked men. david wright, abc news, los angeles. >>> coming up right here, isaac strikes again. the storm in the gulf, coming back forore. 8% every 10 years. wow
they then sped off in a white kia van, with what the fbi now says is a significant amount of cash. the bomb looked convincing enough, but when the bomb squad finally detonated it -- it turned out to be fake. you can see the front entrance of this branch has all the security measures you'd expect, but the robbers used a side entrance here where there are no cameras. they appear to have known enough about the bank's security to avoid getting their pictures taken. the bank robbers clearly did...
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the killing of four americans in benghazi, libya, our sources reveal that not one fbi investigator has st stepped foot in the crime scene. the same sources say the crime scene has not been secured. and those are two deadlines, just two new pieces of information tonight. that is not all we are learning. cnn national security contributor fran townsend is joining us now. she has the scoop on all of it. as we often mention there is a
the killing of four americans in benghazi, libya, our sources reveal that not one fbi investigator has st stepped foot in the crime scene. the same sources say the crime scene has not been secured. and those are two deadlines, just two new pieces of information tonight. that is not all we are learning. cnn national security contributor fran townsend is joining us now. she has the scoop on all of it. as we often mention there is a
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fbi rages are investigating if the attacks that led to his death and three other americans were an inside job. trader joe recalling peanut butter over a salmonella scare. so far 29 cases were reported in 18 states. the fib -- fda is investigating whether any items of contaminated. back to the journal and editorial report. the journal e report. i'll see you back here at 6 p.m. eastern. ♪ >> was the obama convention bounce a bust. much made about the president's lead on the polls with those on the left and right, suggesting that republican rival mitt romney is headed toward certain debate. but g.o.p. polls, let's take a closer look at the numbers and he sees something else. good to see you again. >> great to be with you. >> let's take the question first about the bounce. has it faded? >> this rush to judgment is truly breath taking. there's so many people who basically declared the mitt romney campaign over. six weeks before the election, before four debates, before an october jobs report. and i think if you really want to get a sense of where this race is, paul, you need to forget the he
fbi rages are investigating if the attacks that led to his death and three other americans were an inside job. trader joe recalling peanut butter over a salmonella scare. so far 29 cases were reported in 18 states. the fib -- fda is investigating whether any items of contaminated. back to the journal and editorial report. the journal e report. i'll see you back here at 6 p.m. eastern. ♪ >> was the obama convention bounce a bust. much made about the president's lead on the polls with...
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obtained by hacking into an fbi's laptop. on sunday the group posted what they claimed to be a partial list of information. some security experts say they believe at least some of the data is genuine. >>> army corps of engineers will investigate whether the fortified system that protected new orleans from flooding during hurricane isaac last week pushed floodwaters instead to surrounding rural areas. >>> a new study finds many doctors may be giving up too soon when it comes to cpr. it fipds giving cpr nine more minutes than the average amount gives patients a better chance of surviving. there's currently no clear guidelines for hospitals about how long to continue cpr. the study was published in the lancet. >>> penn state said jerry sandusky sex abuse scandal has already cost the school nearly $17 million. that includes legal fees and payments to consultants and public relations firms. penn state says the money will come from insurance policies and other sources and not from tuition donations or taxpayers. >>> overseas market
obtained by hacking into an fbi's laptop. on sunday the group posted what they claimed to be a partial list of information. some security experts say they believe at least some of the data is genuine. >>> army corps of engineers will investigate whether the fortified system that protected new orleans from flooding during hurricane isaac last week pushed floodwaters instead to surrounding rural areas. >>> a new study finds many doctors may be giving up too soon when it comes to...
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our sources reveal that not single fbi investigators has set foot at the crime scene 15 days after the terrorist attack. and that the crime scene has still not been secured. those are just two headlines, two new pieces of information
our sources reveal that not single fbi investigators has set foot at the crime scene 15 days after the terrorist attack. and that the crime scene has still not been secured. those are just two headlines, two new pieces of information
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we have expanded our task force to include more federal partners, including the fbi. devoting more resources to strengthened protections so workers know their rights. most of all, we are going after and laura en routenew anti- trafficking teams are dismantling their networks. we're putting them where they belong, behind bars. but with more than 20 million victims around the world -- more than 20 million -- we have a lot chiefthat is why this year i directed my administration to increase efforts, and today i can announce a series of additional steps we will take. we will do more to spot it and stop it. of human trafficking in united states so we understand the scope and scale of the problem. we will strengthen training so investigators and law enforcement are better equipped to take action and treat victims as victims, not as criminals. we will work with amtrak and bus and truck inspectors so they are on the lookout. we will help educators spot the signs as well and better serve those who are vulnerable. we are turning the tables on the traffickers. as they are using t
we have expanded our task force to include more federal partners, including the fbi. devoting more resources to strengthened protections so workers know their rights. most of all, we are going after and laura en routenew anti- trafficking teams are dismantling their networks. we're putting them where they belong, behind bars. but with more than 20 million victims around the world -- more than 20 million -- we have a lot chiefthat is why this year i directed my administration to increase...
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story with the new developments >>j.r: i have been mingling back and forth with officials from the fbi who tell me, this is not a bonds surged. it is a site survey. crews are busy at work. here are pictures from the area and the central valley that is close of to the public. this picture shows a very rural area outside of land in california which is northeast of stockton. this second picture is obviously from a distance of but in it, you can make out some of the machinery that those with the fbi have on site they confirm that this is their equipment but digging is not happening. this is some of the digging of that has happened in the past. >> they have their heavy machinery there. you would think that once they find at least one of these wells they would get to work in day. the last time they dug a well it to them at least a week. >>pam: and 110 shooting victim may soon be well enough to be released from children hospital in oakland. if the shooting took place last thursday at his home. below boy was struck by one of 16 shots fired by an unknown shooter. the bullet remains lodged in th
story with the new developments >>j.r: i have been mingling back and forth with officials from the fbi who tell me, this is not a bonds surged. it is a site survey. crews are busy at work. here are pictures from the area and the central valley that is close of to the public. this picture shows a very rural area outside of land in california which is northeast of stockton. this second picture is obviously from a distance of but in it, you can make out some of the machinery that those with...
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the fbi is disputing the hackers' claims. the fbi says that it never asked for and never possessed that kind of a database. security experts say just having that identification number alone would not necessarily pose a problem but if someone was able to take it and merge it with other personally identifying data, then it could expose to you something such as identity theft. we have links on our website to some of those sites that have gone ahead and downloaded that information and published those id numbers. you can go on there and check your own. >> melanie, has it group done it just to prove they can do it? >> reporter: when you go on -- it's getting into the [ indiscernible ] the reason they said they did it is they have a beef with the security "community" with federal agencies they say go to hackers and ask for their help when them those hackers to help them expose cyberthreats but then turn around and label these hackers and criminals and arrest them. there have been a number of high-profile arrests in the hacker "commu
the fbi is disputing the hackers' claims. the fbi says that it never asked for and never possessed that kind of a database. security experts say just having that identification number alone would not necessarily pose a problem but if someone was able to take it and merge it with other personally identifying data, then it could expose to you something such as identity theft. we have links on our website to some of those sites that have gone ahead and downloaded that information and published...